i admit to not being very well informed about the watchtower's view on blood transfusions.
i have a couple of questions that i hope someone here is able to answer.. i understand that the watchtower now considers it to be okay to receive blood fractions.. my first question is: are all fractions considered to be permissible?
and if not, specifically which fractions are not permissible?.
Techniques for intraoperative collection or hemodilution that involve blood storage are objectionable to them. Im not speaking for all JWs I said Each one of JWs has to do what his conscience dictates,
Show the evidence,you just made a blank statement
its taken from 1 thessalonians 4:13-17. now jesus compared the end to the days of noah .
but as the days of noah were, so shall also the coming of the son of man be.
why did he compare the two and does it give us a clue to which teaching is the right one?.
Why do we think we are special ?
Because we were made in Gods image thats why
a month ago i sent a letter to the us branch about 607. my purpose for sending it was because i wanted to show to my parents through the letters the truth behind the date system.
two days ago, i received a response from them.
i think this is gonna be the first of many.
Regarding 607 B.C.E ,its the date JWs came up with 1914 as the end of the gentile times,so if 607 is wrong then 1914 is wrong.First the Jews in first century had expectation of the Messiah why was this?
NWT
Now the people were in expectation and all of them were reasoning in their hearts about John, “May he perhaps be the Christ?”
The prophetess Anna “began giving thanks to God and speaking about the child to all who were waiting for Jerusalem’s deliverance.”
The first-century Jews may have calculated the time of the Messiah’s arrival on the basis of the prophecy of the 70 weeks recorded at Daniel 9:24-27
NWT
There are 70 weeks that have been determined for your people and your holy city, in order to terminate the transgression, to finish off sin, to make atonement for error, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up the vision and the prophecy, and to anoint the Holy of Holies. 25 You should know and understand that from the issuing of the word to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem until Mes·siʹah the Leader, there will be 7 weeks, also 62 weeks. She will be restored and rebuilt, with a public square and moat, but in times of distress.
26 “And after the 62 weeks, Mes·siʹah will be cut off, with nothing for himself
Certain Jews believed that the 70 weeks covered the period from the destruction of the first temple in 607 B.C.E. to the destruction of the second temple in 70 C.E
It cannot be confirmed that people in Jesus’ day correctly understood the prophecy of the 70 weeks. However, the Gospels provide other sound reasons why the people would have been “in expectation” of the Messiah.
So which date was it 587 B.C.E or 607
The Jews were banished for 70 years ,when did it begin ,google shows several dates to confuse ones who want the truth so lets look at scripture not google,
NWT
All the days it lay desolate it kept sabbath, to fulfill 70 years.+
When were the Jews released? fall of 537 B.C.E., the Jews had returned to Jerusalem
Google Showing results for what year did Cyrus II conquered Babylon
Cyrus takes Babylon. In October 539 BCE, the Persian king Cyrus took Babylon, the ancient capital of an empire covering modern Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Israel. In a broader sense, Babylon was the ancient world's capital of scholarship and science
Many here know the spill 2520 from 607 = 1914
But wait we have Jesus pointing towards in the future to that date 1914 ,have anyone here ever read that bombshell? how did he predict 1914 as something special .
Matt 24
NWT
While
he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him
privately, saying: “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be
the sign of your presence*+ and of the conclusion of the system of things?”*+
What exactly were they asking Jesus here,were they asking him when will he return from heaven to set up his Kingdom on earth? some translations read the sign of your coming and the end of the world .,NO the Jews were being stepped on under rule and wanted Gods earthly Kingdom restored right then now thousands of years later,proof of that is a question they asked Jesus AFTER he was resurrected ;
Acts 1
He was seen by them throughout 40 days, and he was speaking about the Kingdom of God.6 So when they had assembled, they asked him: “Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?
If the question in Matt which was much earlier was what will be your sing of you coming why would they now ask him
[Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?]
They couldn't have asked him about his COMING since they didn't expect he was going anywhere after he was resurrected
He already told them his Kingdom was heavenly not earthly over and over again
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world
So he was to leave and not set up an earthly Kingdom but set up in heaven,but when?
He told then the time period when his Kingdom would be established
Matt 24
NWT
For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom,
What was he speaking of here ,was it not a world war? yes the war of 1914
2520 from 607 = 1914
No other date fits many who go to Church dont believe Gods Kingdom has already been established and dont think about it but only going to heaven
In contrast Jesus who they claim to follow said :
NWT
And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations,+ and then the end will come.
The Kingdom has to already be established to preach about it logically ,but you never hear about that in a Church,what are Church goers being fed since Jesus said after his Kingdom is born in heaven he would appoint a Slave to fed his sheep.
Matt NWT
45 “Who really is the faithful and discreet* slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?+
46 Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so!+
47 Truly I say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings.
JWs say he appointed them as the slave to fed his sheep after he came or became King in 1914 ,he didnt come again to the earth in 1914 ,he didnt go anywhere ,
The Churches dont believe this but still look for Jesus to return or come again so this means no slave has been appointed in Christendom to fed they followers since he hasn't returned ,\.Think of what that means ,Jesus is in heaven and has not provided a Shepard to feed his sheep if we are to believe the Churches teachings because he clearly said;
NWT
his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time
NIV
whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food
NLT
whom the master can give the responsibility of managing his other household servants and feeding them
Young's Literal Translation
'Who, then, is the servant, faithful and wise, whom his lord did set
over his household, to give them the nourishment in season?
The point is since he hasn't returned according to Church teachings then his sheep are starving spiritually because he said when he return he will appoint a slave to fed his sheep,he certainly would need to appoint a slave when he returned for a supposed rapture since all his followers would be saved and wouldn't need to be fed spiritually .
So JWs teaching makes more sense that 1914 the Kingdom was established ,he then soon after appointed a slave to care for his sheep and condemned all the Churches who were unfaithful while blessing the 1914 war ,remember it was addressed in a form of a question;
Darby Bible Translation
Who then is the faithful and prudent bondman whom his lord has set over his household, to give them food in season?
The WTBTS proved to be the faithful one not the Churches
theocracy hypocrisy weekly # 2 -- buying and selling with babylon
merriam-webster dictionary's definition of "theocracy": government of a state by immediate divine guidance or by officials who are regarded as divinely guided .
why does the watchtower society even need to buy buildings from babylon?
I think you just want to pick out examples,in that same article it mentions :
Take the example of a postman. His delivering mail would hardly mean that he was promoting a condemned practice if one building in the area he served was a church or an abortion clinic. God provides the sunlight that shines through the windows of all buildings, including a church or such a clinic. A Christian who is a postman might conclude that he is performing a human service to all, day after day. It could be similar with
So based on your examples a JW postman shouldn't deliver mail to a Church because as your examples hes contributing to helping them in some capacity maybe a important decision that letter contained. And an abortion clinic he should refuse delivering their mail because they murder babies .An auto worker should quit his job since cars kill people and he would be blood guilty since he worked on it.
One could raise all kinds of questions to why things are done by the WTBTSONY but the bottom line is have you been called by God himself to be one of his witnesses ,nothing else matters in the end Jesus plainly said :
“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him,
So no one can find Christ unless Jehovah calls him out of this world,based on all your examples criticizing the WT you claim were raised in a JW home meant nothing as you were not called by God,I wont answer all your examples ,Im suprised you didnt mention the former headquarters in Brooklyn was sold to Trump's Son-in-Law so therefore support Trump in some form
ok... so the william sisters have in the past spoken openly about their faith by saying they are jehovah witnesses.
but do they attend regular meetings?
door to door ministry?
Furthermore, many will follow their brazen conduct,*+ and because of them the way of the truth will be spoken of abusively.
From the Greek a·selʹgei·a, a phrase pertaining to acts that are serious violations of God’s laws and that reflect a brazen or boldly contemptuous attitude; a spirit that betrays disrespect or even contempt for authority, laws, and standards. The expression does not refer to wrong conduct of a minor nature.
its taken from 1 thessalonians 4:13-17. now jesus compared the end to the days of noah .
but as the days of noah were, so shall also the coming of the son of man be.
why did he compare the two and does it give us a clue to which teaching is the right one?.
I know its hard to believe in a book claimed to be from a supreme Deity but is it hard to believe what is found in the earth as proof of what that book says? Lets take a look at what has been UN-earthed. The Pool of Siloam
In of the Bible we read John 9 we read of Jesus healing a man who was born blind.
Christ spits on the ground, makes some mud and puts it on the blind
man’s eyes. He then instructs the blind man to wash in the Pool of
Siloam.
in 2004, engineers stumbled upon the steps of a first century ritual
pool By the summer of 2005,
archaeologists said it was without doubt the missing pool of Siloam.
The Pontius Pilate stone
In 1961, an inscription was found which confirms not only the rule of
Pilate in Judea but also his preference for the title ‘Prefect’. In
Latin, the inscription (dated to c AD
A King named Sargon
Isaiah 20-1
In the year that King Sarʹgon of As·syrʹi·a sent the Tarʹtan
Isaiah 20:1
was challenged by critics because they knew of no king named Sargon in
lists of Assyrian kings. Now Sargon’s palace has been recovered at
Khorsabad, including a wall inscription and a library record endorsing
the battle against the Philistine city of Ashdod
Dead Sea Scrolls
Discovered in 1947
The Scrolls have provided copies of most of the Old Testament, for
fragments of every Old Testament book except Esther have been found in
Hebrew,
These are just a few examples but some who dont believe in a God will say so what ,what good is it I just believe in what I see,are there things that exit that we cant see?
i admit to not being very well informed about the watchtower's view on blood transfusions.
i have a couple of questions that i hope someone here is able to answer.. i understand that the watchtower now considers it to be okay to receive blood fractions.. my first question is: are all fractions considered to be permissible?
and if not, specifically which fractions are not permissible?.
Each one of JWs has to do what his conscience dictates,JWs believe that blood removed from the body should be disposed of, so they do not accept autotransfusion of predeposited blood. Techniques for intraoperative collection or hemodilution that involve blood storage are objectionable to them. However, many Ws permit the use of dialysis and heart-lung equipment where the extracorporeal circulation is uninterrupted.
The Ws do not feel that the Bible comments directly on organ transplants; so, decisions regarding transplants must be made by the individual Witness.The bible doesn't comment on smoking like you must not smoke cigarettes or you must not go to a casino or do not have a organ transplant they didn't exist as they do today but it has guide lines and principles where one should know by learning Gods mind what is acceptable.
Since cardiovascular operations performed on Ws without transfusing blood and can be done with an acceptably low risk some JWs accept organ transplants
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i admit to not being very well informed about the watchtower's view on blood transfusions.
i have a couple of questions that i hope someone here is able to answer.. i understand that the watchtower now considers it to be okay to receive blood fractions.. my first question is: are all fractions considered to be permissible?
and if not, specifically which fractions are not permissible?.
Jehovah’s Witnesses do not accept blood.Yet new issues arise because blood can now be processed into four primary components and fractions of those components. In deciding whether to accept such when a doctor tell him he will die if he doesn't receive a transfusion or at least components or fractions. A Christian Witness should look beyond possible medical benefits and risks. His concern should be what the Bible says and the potential effect on his relationship with God. Lets go back in time to after the flood which destroyed not the earth but wicked people,after this event God told the survivors they could now eat meat which means they must have been vegetarians.Why could they now eat animals could be because of how the earth changed since a world wide destruction ,trees must have been damaged not producing fruit and it would take time to farm crops months to harvest;
In Genesis 9.1-5 we read:
Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth.The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything. “But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it. And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal.” (NIV)
Thats the basis of not eating blood as to what God told Noah[ you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood
still in it.] Each person can raise their hand in the KH to the question would you take blood alternatives and answer no under no circumstances but when actually faced with death may compromise and even take a blood transfusion.
Jehovah’s Witnesses certainly want to keep living, we are committed to obey Jehovah’s law on blood. What does this mean in the light of current medical practice not known before? . Medicine has changed over time. Today, most transfusions are not of whole blood but of one of its primary components, red cells,white cells , platelets,plasma serum fluid. Physicians might prescribe red cells, white cells, platelets, or plasma. Transfusing these major components allows a single unit of blood to be divided among more patients. Jehovah’s Witnesses hold that accepting whole blood or any of those four primary components violates God’s law.
However, since modern technology blood can be processed beyond those primary components, questions arise about fractions derived from the primary blood components. How are such fractions used, and what should a JW consider when deciding on them is the central question.Blood is complex. Even the plasma which is 90 percent water carries hormones, inorganic salts, enzymes, and nutrients, including minerals and sugar. Plasma also carries such proteins as albumin, clotting factors, and antibodies to fight diseases. Technicians isolate and use many plasma proteins. For example, clotting factor VIII has been given to hemophiliacs, who bleed easily. Or if someone is exposed to certain diseases, doctors might prescribe injections of gamma globulin, extracted from the blood plasma of people who already had immunity. Other plasma proteins are used medically, but the above mentioned illustrate how a primary blood component PLASMA may be processed to obtain fractions.
The WTS says the Bible does not give details on these since these procedures didnt exist thousands of years ago so a JW must make his own conscientious decision before God. Some JWs would refuse anything derived from blood even fractions intended to provide temporary passive immunity. That is how they understand God’s command to ‘abstain from blood.Other JWs decide differently. They too refuse transfusions of whole blood, red cells, white cells, platelets, or plasma. Yet, they might allow a physician to treat them with a fraction extracted from the primary components. Even here there may be differences. One JW may accept a gamma globulin injection, but he may or may not agree to an injection containing something extracted from red or white cells. Overall, though, what might lead some JWs to conclude that they could accept blood fractions?
Some JWs may conclude that since blood fractions can pass to another person during birth when the mother passes immunoglobulins to her child ,plasma proteins fractions move from a pregnant woman’s blood to the separate blood system of her fetus
they could accept a blood fraction derived from blood plasma or cells.
The Bible directs to abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from fornication.’ (Acts 15:29) Beyond that, when it comes to fractions of any of the primary components, each JWs after careful and prayerful meditation, must conscientiously decide for himself.
ok... so the william sisters have in the past spoken openly about their faith by saying they are jehovah witnesses.
but do they attend regular meetings?
door to door ministry?
I dont know if they attend meetings although I doubt it,one has married a non believer and had a baby and has shown rage on the court ,not everyone who claim to be one of Jehovahs Witnesses are doing his will ,this is pointed out in :
Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’
So the Brothers are not letting them do anything
New American Standard Bible
Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned;
its taken from 1 thessalonians 4:13-17. now jesus compared the end to the days of noah .
but as the days of noah were, so shall also the coming of the son of man be.
why did he compare the two and does it give us a clue to which teaching is the right one?.
"Not a single reference to resurrection to earth mentioned in the new testament"
All those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out.
These are on earth the grave not in heaven,if already in heaven how is it they need to hear his voice they would already be with Jesus ,makes no sense that teaching
Because he has set a day on which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has provided a guarantee to all men by resurrecting him
These must be back on earth not in heaven
